2005-06-15 [Corp. hater]: how about keep elftown shallowfree

2005-06-15 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: it's empty...

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: yeah it is

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: ???????

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: ?_?

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: keep elftown shallow free You didnt put a space between "shallowfree"

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: oh . . . COOL!

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: funny how, when the citizens complain about being solicited with cyber-sex all the time, nothing is done, but the first time a person asks a guard to cyber, it's ban time.

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: well guess what I report all those who Solicit cyber sex on their house. How do you think these people got banned or have gaurd notices on their house?

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: I report them, too.. Never get any feedback on it, though.

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: I always go to the house. If the report goes away it's been read.

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: *shrugs* Way too many people to do that with everyone.

2005-06-15 [~Saraneth~]: oh i see

2005-06-15 [travs the bean]: well hello- would you put a link to the take elftown back under the graphic you pulled the warning from- think you guys are doing a great job- thanks (the creator of the elftown watch graphic)

2005-06-15 [Blaze the Nameless]: I have a question.

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: Shoot.

2005-06-15 [Blaze the Nameless]: Do you think cybering could lead a person to rape? Just wondering.

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: *thinks about it* Perhaps. Pornography has been said to.

2005-06-15 [Blaze the Nameless]: Yeah, I know that much.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: I believe it does. Cybering could and will never be the same as real sex. And someone who cant get it (and has to resort to cybering to get it) will only be satisfied with that for so long. It's only a matter of time before they turn to rape.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: that´s not sure. You´re puting the lines very hard, Kelaria. They can, too, find someone that likes them enough to have sex with them, without raping, and they can cyber just for fun, at the same way some of us is RPG:ing just for fun..

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: I'm not talking about everyone. I'm saying this is a possible scenario.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: And in any case, cybering does not belong here on Elftown.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: But I agree, it can´t be for real. On the other hand: Is there anything here that can be for real?

2005-06-15 [Zab]: Sorry, didn´t see that.. No, it doesn´t belong here.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Emotions can be real, but with no physical contact, that part of it is not real.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: Emotions maybe. But if we compare with rpg (it is kind of like a roleplay, they pretend to do something) that doesn´t mean everyone, or even a few, walks our and starts to fight with sticks and swords on people. Maybe one single person does, but that person is not really healthy in his head, and would probably do something like that anyway...Don´t think I want cyberers here, I totaly agree that they belong somewere else if they now have to cyber... :/. but I think you say and want a lot without really thinking about if it´s right or true...

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Thing is, people who RP (most) are doing it because they enjoy creating a new world. It's like writing a story, or acting. Cybering is people who just want to get-off online. Do you see what I'm saying?

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: Very true.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: I see. And mostly, I think you´re right. (there are probably other cases, but that would be a minority and I wont argue with you more).

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: yes, I know. However, as I said, cybering just doesnt belong here!

2005-06-15 [Zab]: Nope. You´re right.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: And I'm just fed up! So sick of all the people with usernames like F**k me and horny girl! it's so pathetic! and defiles our beautiful elftown!!

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: Yes it does. Keep it out of here please! ^^

2005-06-15 [Zab]: *shrugs* that´s what we´re trying to do.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Yep!

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: Jesus Christ.. must we go through this once more? These people are going to stay here whether you like it or not.. Yes, we can ban them all, but there will still be more. I still say, what people do in the privacy of messages and private wikis/forums are their own business, and we should let it be. 

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Who asked you to be rude and crabby? We simply were stating that we're sick of it!

2005-06-15 [Zab]: *shrugs* We can at least try to keep the number down. An let them be on Elfpack.

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: and I am simply stating that your point is across and people understand.. I, personally, am getting a bit annoyed when all you do is complain about how much you are sick of it and dont do anything about it. If you truly are as sick of it as you say you are, take action.. report the offenders and quit bitching.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: That's what we're here for. And you're not helping with comments like that. So either support us nicely, or dont comment here.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Oh, by the way. I have reported about 20 people already. So dont tell me I'm not doing anything.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: he has a point..*shrugs* I´m out of here.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: well I dont know about you, but my "complaining" has a purpose, and in no way am I not doing anything about it.

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: *shrugs* So am I. I am certainly thoroughly annoyed with these people who insist that they are here for no other reason but to cyber and f**k, but I am not going to stand around and argue about how to help it, and Im not going to waste my time bitching about it. Good luck with your efforts, but calm down about how "sick of it" you are.. otherwise, you may cross someone who is a bit less demure as I.

2005-06-15 [Zab]: *sigh* Sure, it´s just that you complain a lot. And I don´t see the purpose with complaining, I see a purpose with telling what´s on ones mind, though.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: You know, I dont see anything here that is not "calm". So leave us to our discussions and go patrol ET as you see fit. We dont need people starting trouble here.

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: *nods*

2005-06-15 [Lost in Illusions]: *shrugs* I will do just that. Keep up with your whining and complaining and have a lovely life.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Apparently Narcis has a strange definition of "whining" and "complaining" because I was doing neither. Simply stating my feelings.

2005-06-15 [Kelaria]: Some people astound me with their stupidity

2005-06-15 [Randirianna]: *sighs*

2005-06-16 [Blaze the Nameless]: Same here.

2005-06-16 [Zab]: I´d just shut up from now.

2005-06-17 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Kel has a point. We are here so we can report and inform. We aren't going and spamming wikis and being jackass about it, so I don't see how Narci, is saying we aren't calm. And if someone has a problem with us reporting, maybe they are hiding something themselves?

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: I'm sure if you read a few pages on this wiki before you'd get your answer. *Sigh* No sense in going at it although I must agree with [Kelaria] this time. Oh and just so you all know, you all can edit the page and put ppl up on the lists. This comment box can be used for whatever you guys think of to talk about but please can we all end the fighting? That is not what this wiki had been intended for.

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: By the way. . . Has anyone here like to read?

2005-06-18 [Zab]: yeah, and I posted someone on the first offenderspage(don´t remember who) who had a very offensive name, mood and bio..Now he´s removed and nobody tells me why.

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: ? that shouldn't be. Oh wait could it be they were moved to the 2nd offender's List (or higher)? I had done that to a few and reported them.

2005-06-18 [Zab]: I think he was called fuckmeharder69 or something, or that was just somebody else..

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: Now that's a nice name isn't it? You can always know when someone's going to be a jackass.

2005-06-18 [Zab]: you should tell when you do that...write it next to the number, or put the name under a line:move/removed offenders, and let it be there for a week or something so we know.. :/

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: Do you guys think anyone would mind if I added you too the allies on my new wiki?

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: oh sorry! Being the owner of the page i always have close tabs on everything of that sort. Yes, i promise i will tell you when things are move and that particular member has been moved to Major offenders for cyber postings on a wiki created for cyber-sex.

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: So you'll update the wiki?

2005-06-18 [Zab]: ok, thanks^_^ should we report wikis too? Blaze, who do you talk to?

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: Talk too about what?

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: Oh yes do report wikis! I will make a spot for them.

2005-06-18 [Zab]: Blaze: quote '': Do you guys think anyone would mind if I added you too the allies on my new wiki?''

2005-06-18 [Zab]: and maybe I should join Oo

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: No problem. What is your wiki? Maybe I would like to join? (were you talking to me? O.o)

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: It's Rape=hate.

2005-06-18 [Zab]: oh, that..*shrugs* it´s ok, but I´m not very good to talk with people..

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: Ok I will join! What do i do on it?

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: It's okay [Zab]. You join it and you talk to people about your views and stuff.

2005-06-18 [Zab]: *shrugs again*

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: Um . . . I suppose you weren't talking to me, Blaze, sorry. ^_^U

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: Yes I was. ^^

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: Oh sorry lol ^_^U

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: It's okay.

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: So . . . Would anyone like to help me patrol the First Offenders List? If you have the time.

2005-06-18 [Blaze the Nameless]: I have plently of time.

2005-06-18 [~Saraneth~]: YAY thank you!

2005-06-19 [Blaze the Nameless]: You're welcome. When do you want me to start?

2005-06-19 [~Saraneth~]: Whenever you have time. It's a contant thing so a few posted houses a week ought to do. If you don't mind, as always.

2005-06-20 [Blaze the Nameless]: I've checked a couple houses so far.

2005-06-20 [~Saraneth~]: hey thanx you!

2005-06-20 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: I would, but I'm not on much anymore

2005-06-21 [Morgan le Fay]: Ooo! I want to help! I hate cyber-freaks. They pollute Elftown! I'm assuming I just need to add my name to the list...?

2005-06-21 [LonelyTylenol]: Perhaps a good link to add would be one to the Communications Protection Center...

2005-06-21 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: *goes to look*

2005-06-22 [~Saraneth~]: Nice link. I added it. I also would like to update some people on the fact that the wiki, empty homes has been or will be shut down by [Hedda]. Too bad really, I think anyway but w/e.

2005-06-22 [Blaze the Nameless]: What's that wiki about?

2005-06-23 [Zab]: empty houses, I guess it will be shut down because Hedda never will delete any houses from Elftown, for different reasons.

2005-06-23 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: They aren't asking him to delete them, they are only asking that clearly abandoned houses have that badge put up. I don't see anything wrong with that.

2005-06-23 [Zab]: *shrugs* no. I guess he have his reasons.

2005-06-23 [~Saraneth~]: I wish that they wouldn't delete the wiki. It would serve as a nice record of who hasn't been here or is inactive. Ah, it's all really too bad.

2005-06-23 [Zab]: yeah, but what to use the record for?

2005-06-23 [~Saraneth~]: I dunno. But i always run into newbies who want names that have already been taken -usaully by inactive members. Notice my name has the '~' things around it.

2005-06-23 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: *shrugs* People have their fetishes. And I could think of alot more harmful fetishes then keeping a list of abandoned wikis. He doesn't need to destroy it, it's not harming anything.

2005-06-23 [Zab]: *shrugs* yeah. but most of the names are such we don´t want here anyway, like ''sexi''...

2005-06-23 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: :P

2005-06-23 [Zab]: oh, didn´t see your comment. gtg anyway, bye.

2005-06-23 [~Saraneth~]: toodles ^_^

2005-06-23 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: I had to leave for work too.

2005-06-25 [Randirianna]: Good gods, summer ish annoying... *falls over in exhaustion*

2005-06-25 [Blaze the Nameless]: Yes it is!!! I want school to start again!

2005-06-27 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: I'm glad I'm out of school

2005-06-27 [Blaze the Nameless]: I saw a user that you might wanna look out for [fuck me!!] or something like that

2005-06-29 [~Saraneth~]: OMFG! a weird turkish guy by the name: [bLooD SmeLL] messaged one of my friends (with a not very dignified message)! Up on the listing he goes.

2005-06-29 [Zab]: I had one messaging me too..(don´t know if he was turkish though) and insisted on cyber...he stopped very quick when I told him I should report him next message he sent. ::grin:: damn it would be fun if he sends one more..I like reporting...err..

2005-06-29 [Blaze the Nameless]: Me too

2005-06-29 [Zab]: lol...

2005-06-30 [AbLam]: Hey...could I join? Cybering grosses me out...

2005-06-30 [~Saraneth~]: Yuppers! i don't care who joins as long as you are against cybering. (^_^ duh!)

2005-06-30 [~Saraneth~]: So go for it Join!

2005-06-30 [AbLam]: Okay! Ew..there was this creepy guy who messaged my sister, telling her she was 'hott 4 a 14 yr old'..and he was 25!

2005-06-30 [girl. interrupted.]: GROSSS! [bLooD SmeLL] contacted me too...he is a creepy turkish child molester!!! :S:S:S

2005-06-30 [Blaze the Nameless]: So far he's just talking to me and so far, he seems pretty nice.

2005-06-30 [AbLam]: You might want to check out [i am]. A loafer too....

2005-07-01 [Lady Edana-Arianrhod Rós]: Well, I think [bLooD SmeLL]'s name says enough.

2005-07-01 [AbLam]: Yeah, hehe. I don't get it, when did elftown become cyber central? Because there are a whole bunch of cyberers out there.

2005-07-01 [~Saraneth~]: Would you guys mind reporting these people to their proper page listings?

2005-07-02 [AbLam]: What do you mean?

2005-07-02 [~Saraneth~]: I mean putting them up on the lists when you find people and then reporting what they have done wrong. *Sorry, shoulda clarified ^_^*

2005-07-02 [AbLam]: Oh ,okay then :D

2005-07-02 [~Saraneth~]: Thankies =D

2005-07-02 [AbLam]: Yeeaha. Is [bLooD SmeLL] cyberelf?

2005-07-03 [Blaze the Nameless]: What a lovely name this guy has! *rolls her eyes&

2005-07-03 [AbLam]: Yeah, what is it with turkish perverts?

2005-07-03 [Blaze the Nameless]: No idea.

2005-07-03 [AbLam]: I mean I have nothing against turkish peopel, it just seems that a vast majority of them are turkish males, ranging from 20-28

2005-07-03 [~Saraneth~]: mmm hmm. That is a typical low-life stereotype. Altho' I dunno why.

2005-07-03 [AbLam]: Yeah, it's kinda....weeeeird.

2005-07-03 [Lost in Illusions]: I want to bring something out in the open. I assumed by the first offenders page, that they would actually be warned for being "offensive" yet my name is on there and I never even got a mention of it from anyone on this site. Keep up the great work, fellas.

2005-07-04 [AbLam]: Oh we willl, we will.

2005-07-04 [Lost in Illusions]: hehe, this is kinda funny. I'm insulting you on this wiki, but working by your side on FG. xD

2005-07-04 [AbLam]: Yeah, hehe! Oh well. Way of the world, I guess...

2005-07-04 [Lost in Illusions]: meh, I'm not insulting anyone on this wiki, just the wiki itself. In fact, I've only one person to insult, but she began it with me, so she knows who she is and that she deserved it.

2005-07-05 [AbLam]: Well I guess it's back to fun n games! Bring out the jujubes.

2005-07-05 [~Saraneth~]: Wait. Your name is on the first offenders list? You're kidding right? Well I am going to fix that. I was unaware and to tell you the truth unhappy about it. I'm also unhappy you are insulting my wiki. I'm sorry you were up there, but that is no the wiki's fault; that was someone else's doing. And, yes, we do inform the people who have beeen soliciting cyber-sex, have been cybering themselves, etc. We can't warn everyone, you see. That would cause way too many problems, and some of the time people on the list get taken down because it seems they have done nothing wrong.

2005-07-05 [~Saraneth~]: Hmmm, could you be talking about [Kelaria]?  (Note: I was suggesting her name, personally I am fond of her too. ^_^U)

2005-07-05 [Lord Asriel]: Hey hey hey! Let's not start insulting her! I'm rather fond of her....

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: well, I agree with what the wiki stands for, but I think that a few of your members may be a little... overzealous. Yes, I was talking about [Kelaria], and to tell you the truth, I think she only put my name up because she was pissed off about me not arguing with her and "insulting" her (in her opinion) when I was clearly just stating my opinion. You need to lay down a few ground rules such as a) before adding, warn the person who you find offensive and ask them politely to change a few offensive factors, otherwise they will be added to the list, then if they dont change anything, or are rude to that person, add them to the list. Second, you should tell the person who you've added>

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: Actually. I put it up because I felt it belonged up there.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: that s/he has been added to the list and why that person has added him/her to the list. I was probably up here for almost a month and heard it from [AbLam]. It's not that I was personally offended that I was put on the list, I just found it a little amusing and annoying that I wasnt even warned, nor told that I was placed on the list when it first happened. Well, that's all for my ranting, now. I'm sorry for insulting the wiki, that may have been wrong of me, but my opinions still stand.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: so you think we should warn people with the username 'F**k me' before we put them on the list?

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: again, warn the person and ask him to change. then if s/he doesnt change tell him/her that s/he is on the list and explain WHY. Surely, you cant be so dense as to not understand those simple points. And finally, all pictures that may or may not be offensive have been taken off, the name is not offensive to anyone, except maybe myself, but I reserve the right to say what I wish about myself, dont I? Finally, if you looked on my house and became offended by something that you saw on there, it was your choice to look initially, so think about who you blame before doing something as trivial as adding this name to some list to which it doesnt even belong.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: Oh, an even stronger point, the list I was added to was for people with offensive houses soliciting cyber-sex. If you truly wish to add me to a name, add me to one that actually suits my name because I am surely not a sex offender, nor do I solicit cybering in my house, regardless of whether I do advocate it on Elftown, period. And as a final point, yes, you should warn a person with the name "f**k me" before adding them to the list, therefore it seems a bit more legitimate than some group of overzealous anti- people.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: I really dont think that is necessary for EVERY person we put on the list. Obviously someone with the username 'cyber me' and a description consisting only of 'Im hott, mssg me' is not going to "change" and suddenly become some sort of fantasy lover.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: well your name was put there when the list was still very broadly described of what should go there. I didnt think you were a sex offender.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: You never know. I changed my name when you so insistently said that you found it offensive so maybe someone else would do the same. Take a chance. How long does "We at {insert wiki name here} find your name/mood/house offensive. We are now asking you to change these aspects to something more friendly and Elftown-oriented, or you will be placed on the "first offenders" list for observation." Hell, if it's that hard to take the time to type it out, copy and paste it.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: That is another point I began talking about these points on here. YOU personally found my name/mood/whatever offensive, so you took the initiative to add it simply because of your personal beliefs. I changed my name when so many people found it offensive, so you really had no merit there. Again, whatever you read on my house is your own choice to read, therefore you can only blame yourself for reading it, and finally, warn me to change something, maybe I'll listen, and this whole lecturing/arguing session could have been completely eluded.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: It's not my JOB to BABYSIT all you people who are dense enough to have an offensive name in the first place.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: it is also not your job to post all those names on the "first offenders" list that you, personally, just plain dont like. Yet, you do it. So why not develop some sort of warning system before you just blatantly come out and call someone offensive based on your personal beliefs?

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: I ONLY put names on that either offend me or have any offensive content in their house.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: exactly. that offend you. Not those that are offensive to the general public. If you dont like something in someone's house, think about the context. Is it nothing but huge "I WANT SEX!! F**K ME HARD!!" or is it just a few words on there that you may not like? Because there are many diferences to words than the singular meaning that society has placed on them. Such as my name; you found that one word in my former name offensive to you. And you also found a few things in my house offensive, to you.

2005-07-05 [~Saraneth~]: May I point out a few things?  Narcissist, you were put on a list for offense house material, moods, and names, not cyber-soliciting. I believe that is the 2nd offenders list. Second, houses with any offense material is listed, and i can only trust that people create accurate reports. Usaully I check the list and patrol houses on there to see if any offensive activity goes on. After a while houses that show no other signs of being vulgar are taken off or moved to Loafers. Lastly, both of you are being a bit harsh and I will not permit anymore fighting upon this page.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: As I've said many times before, I am not fighting, simply offering my opinion on ways you may be able to make the wiki more effective. It wasnt until [Kelaria Daye] began arguing, again, that I started arguing back, but again, my opinions stand and all I ask is that a few measures be taken before anything drastic like reporting is made.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: I wasnt arguing. I was defending myself against your claims. Which were very rude and unfounded.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: again, in your opinion. But enough about that. I only wanted to subject my opinion on ways to improve the wiki.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: Fine. But dont attempt to insult me in the process.

2005-07-05 [Lost in Illusions]: I never insulted you. End.

2005-07-05 [Kelaria Daye]: seriously. End. I'm really sick of this.

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: You have had just as much power to stop this as I do. I personally enjoy arguing, so if you do want to continue it, be my guest, but if not, goodbye.

2005-07-06 [eyes of frost]: Ok, I have a question...Why is my wiki S&M up there?

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: because people are sickened by cybering on ET, apparently, and you are a sick sick individual *sarcasm*

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: Fuck You and Your Fucking Standerds of what is right and what is not!!! who the hell made you God that you may choose and Judge your fellow Beings?!?!?! and don't pull the God-thinks-it's-wrong bullshit on me, 1) cuz it only takes a single look at all the Religious Sex Scandles to See that Apperantly it isn't as wrong as you make it out to be and 2) MY GODS AND GODDESSES BIRTHED YOUR GOD! So if it's your opinion, fine, but don't make others feel like they are wrong for doing something that they enjoy. you may as well all be Puritans....Puritan: the nagging feeling that someone, somewhere is having fun.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: riiight... *raises an eyebrow* go ahead and cyber. Have fun dude. But keep it out of ELFtown.

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: If it does not interfere with you and what you do, then why does it matter where we do it? i'm trying to understand really i am, sorry if i blew up, but i just don't get it!

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: Because this is a fantasy community. And it's getting out of hand. This is not the place for it and if you MUST do it, keep it so descrete that only you and the other participant know about it.

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: granted, but most of us do, those wiki's that are for it are clearly labled and therefore easily avoidable, those people/wiki's that aren't are shunned by those of us that are as much as you shun them.

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: as much as [Kelaria Daye] is going to despise my saying this, I agree. I believe that it doesnt matter whether they do engage in "cyber" activity on this site, regardless of the true nature. As far as I can tell, websites like these are rarely used for the specific purpose it was designed for. All I can ask, really, is that the person doesnt solicit it to every person s/he meets and whomever s/he does engage in such activity with stays private in a private (unpublicized) wiki, or through private messages that only they are able to read.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: then why are you here Narcis? Why the heck did you come here at all?

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: he's not saying that cybering is "right" just that i had a point and it makes sense. many thanks for someone GETTING it that i'm not attaking you guys, just commenting. don't snap at him for agreeing with me, snap at me if you have to for haveing the courage to speak up to you guys without bitching at you all.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: ouh! Fun chat here was. Why does everyone have to argue?

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: I understand that. I and I understand that you have your oppinions. And that's fine. But at the very least we want to rid elftown of the hundreds and thousands of people who create and parade around with usernames that consist of things such as 'cyber whore' 'F**k me' and 'give me sex'! Dont you? Cybering in private messages and wikis I can tolerate. Even though I dont like it. But I have recieved hundreds of messages from random people saying things like 'ur hawt, wanna cyber wif me?' And I'm sick of it!

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: sorry, i wasn't trying to argue with this wiki, just commenting and attempting to understand. it wasn't an argument until [Lost in Illusions] agreed with me and [Kelaria Daye] snaped at him for being open minded enough to accept the other sides comment.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: I know. I just didnt come to elftown to be continually messaged by horny teenage boys and perverted older men whose only interest in me is to see me naked on a webcam. And it pisses me off. So I get a little touchy on the subject.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: well, if I´m not wrong (and I might very well be) Kelaria and Narcissis was arguing here a while ago before that too.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: It´s ok to be pissed of, but be it at the right people.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: well I try.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: Thats the only thing I ask for.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: it's funny... I'm really a non-confrontational person... I hate conflict.... but I always seem to get in these arguments with people! I think it's because I'm also very sensitive, but dont like to show it. So I get defensive.

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: [Kelaria Daye], you have a point. i won't tell you otherwise. however you should know that the cyber community as a whole shuns the peolpe who do that as much as you do.

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: that's all I'm saying. I'm just as tired about these pricks asking me to see my picture or cyber with them because they're "super horny" but all you need to do is report them. Dont go looking for them all the time, and let them come to you. Who knows, maybe you wont get as many as you are if you dont go searching for the offenders.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: Maybe. Just look at the most un-offending way a comment can be seen. After all in comments there are only letters, not facial expressions or sounds that can take the edge of them in the same way a usual IRL converstation can.

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: well, there can be ways to insert emotions into comments, but that's another topic. There is a point to all comments being are words and letters. The words and letters themselves actually have no meaning, just what has been placed on them by society's stigma.

2005-07-06 [Trillium Wolf]: thank Goddess someone other than me gets it!!!

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: Perhaps. But I have done a lot of reporting in the past. And people havent been dealt with for those types of things. which is what we're trying to change.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: I know, but if someone really finds me interesting, and wants to talk to me, they could at least do it in a sensible way.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: ::shrugs:: I have nothing to do with this wiki actually, I just scare every idiot who mess with me away.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: lol :P I sometimes want to message the guys who say stuff like 'ur hott' or 'wanna cyber?' with a really brilliantly insulting message and teach them a thing or two *grins*

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: but I usually just ignore them so they dont get the satisfaction of a response...

2005-07-06 [Zab]: I usually say. ''ok, how the hell do you know?''I´ve no pic up, ''and if you´re interested in cybering just tell me so I can block and report you''. If that don´t stop them I block and reports them.

2005-07-06 [Kelaria Daye]: lol! good plan :P

2005-07-06 [Zab]: yeah. But since it´s to much work for them to know if I´m a male or female, they usually don´t bother messaging me.

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: Well, that's one reason I've made my house the way it is. Deleted every instance that could tell them I'm a 20 year old male interested in all genders and I havent gotten a message since.. though I'm still getting "LOLz YOURE PROFL Iz HOTT! WANN B FRENS?" I just blink for a few seconds and ignore it.

2005-07-06 [Zab]: ::grin:: wel, as long as it stays with 'friends'...

2005-07-06 [Lost in Illusions]: I dont answer to messages that are so autrociously spelled that I cant read them. Especially with the misspelling is intentional, like "hawt" or "ppl" and my least favorite, "u" and "r"